Monday, November 23, 2009

Loose Lips, Spin, Double Standards & Aliens

Looks like things are heating up with protests & rallies being planned by both the 'reds' and 'yellows' over the next few weeks.
UPDATE: Reds have postponed their Nov 28 to Dec 3 protest rally, Abhisit is not going to Chiang Mai this week.............. the stalemate continues.

PM Abhisit is heading to Chiang Mai next week, and after the clear anti-red spin that was evident in the mainstream media from Korn's trip to Chiang Mai in July, I'm keeping an open mind about the Chiang Mai community radio host who allegedly mentioned on air that Abhisit could be assassinated if he comes to Thailand (although it was clearly a dumb thing to do)

What does concern me is that it seems the groundwork is being laid for some sort of violent confrontation over coming weeks.
Apart from the loose lips of radio host and a leader of the Chiang Mai Loving 51 Group, Phetchawat Wattanpongsirikul, we also have the following warning signs:
- Deputy PM Suthep Thaugsuban in charge of security affairs, warning that non thai's ('aliens') have no rights to protest, and the government again proposing the imposition of the Internal Secutity Act against the UDD/reds
- PAD leaders referring to non humans and the need for 'traitors' to be 'finished off'
- the intransigence, vitriol & hatred being exhibited on the various political forums, blogs & newspapers also seem to be ramping up to a new level.

It is becoming increasingly important that independent observers/witnesses are at all the upcoming protests & rallies, so that unscrupulous players and irresponsible media cannot spin things to suit their own needs while seeking the ultimate end game quick victory.

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StanG said...

Red rally in Bangkok has been postponed and that goes a long way in diffusing the volatile situation. I think it was canceled because the prospects of achieving the goal (toppling Abhisit) were very dim and simply hanging around Suan Luang is unproductive. Waste of time and resources.

PAD has no rally scheduled anytime soon, afaik.

The only potential troublespot left is Chiang Mai, and those "Love" groups have history.

At this point I think Abhisit should still go, reds will only hurt themselves if there's violence there. The eggs will go into Abhisit's basket even if they aim them at his face, so to speak.

Hobby said...

Yes, thats good the reds have called of this weeks protest - it was a stupid time to do it, and IMO they don't really need to do anything much other than keep pointing out the hopelessness of the current coalition government.

I thought PAD was going to have another love fest to protect you know who - has that also been called of?

As for Chiang Mai, I have first hand experience of the media spin regarding the CM reds, so am keeping an open mind (and see nothing wrong with them letting Abhisit know he is a very disappointing PM, and IMO the rot started with him not getting rid of Kasit as FM at the earliest opportunity)

siampolitics said...

"..they don't really need to do anything much other than keep pointing out the hopelessness of the current coalition government."

It depends on what they want to achieve. I can think of several worthy goals that need a lot more work than simply sitting it out and criticizing Abhisit.

I've posted somewhere about their subtle mood change - they don't want snap elections anymore, they are preparing for a long "war", and they are starting to behave like a proper opposition.

hobby said...

If true, its about time the country had a proper opposition, because the Democrat Party certainly was not that - they were more into skullduggery, supporting airport & government house invasions, and ultimately backroom deals with military and other 'unelected' influential figures.

siampolitics said...

On the other hand I remember that free water/utilities policy implemented by Samak last year was initially proposed by Democrat shadow cabinet.

If PTP comes to power I don't know any credible people they would put in charge. That would be change for the sake of change, in hope that their non-existent economic team would perform better just because it's different.

I don't really care, as long as they stick to governing.

hobby said...

Agree about actually governing, something neither side has been very good at - especially since the 111 TRT/PPP/PT were taken out of the game for 5 years (unfairly IMO, whereas somehow the Democrat Party always manages to escape such 'punishment':)

PPP were at least elected on a known agenda of getting Thaksin/TRT aligned politicians back & fixing the constitution - The Democrats were given a chance (again, unfairly IMO), and what was one of their first acts - appoint Kasit as FM - that started them on a low point and they have just gotten worse since then.

Surely you are not happy with the current coalition government???

siampolitics said...

Coalition is what it is - coalition. People elected those douchebags themselves. The only difference from last year is that PPP quota in the government is replaced by Democrats, and, position by position, Democrat ministers are far more qualified than their PPP counterparts.

Not all of 111 banned execs were governing, and I can't think of anyone apart from Somkid whose services could be useful, and it's far from certain he wouldn't have done "Purachai" by now.

Thaksin has been shedding brainpower left and right and run out of fresh ideas by 2004.

Hobby said...

StanG: Why the fixation with Thaksin? - even if he is not the saviour that many see him as, how come guys like you are so ready to support the double standard? - is he the only 'bad guy' in Thailand?

Even if this is a fight between 'elites', do you honestly think Thaksin is any worse than the others?
(or could it be that it is his popularity that is the real problem for those other eleites?)

siampolitics said...

As far as governing the country is concerned, Thaksin is PTP's main and only card. They have nothing else to offer, only his "experience".

Have you seen that Cambodian speech on youtube? He looked like a bubbling idiot regurgitating popular stories about nano-technologies and alternative fuels, and he couldn't keep track of his own thoughts. How could those guys sit through his monotonic delivery of trivial stuff is beyond me.

Perhaps that was the reason he left Cambodia so early.

Hobby said...

StanG: Not much point discussing this stuff you, as you just seem unable to see past your yellow anti-Thaksin glasses.

However, as you seem to have a lot of time to deconstruct things Thai related, I suggest you turn your attention to this oldie, but a goodie :)

siampolitics said...

Don't know what exactly you wanted me to notice, but on foreign expertise, consider this crap from The Times:

"Tensions are at a peak again as Thaksin returns to South-East Asia, the closest he has been to Thailand since he was forced out in a military coup in 2006."

I think Asian desk editor at the Economist was appointed after the coup, and now their opinions are quoted as a Bible.

Hobby said...

StanG - That's just more of your nitpicking, trying to distract from the main message (again:)

siampolitics said...

What's the main message?

Hobby said...

The main point was the section of the quoted passage that you chose NOT to highlight.
(I would have thought it obvious, but those yellow anti-Thaksin glasses might be clouding things for you:)

siampolitics said...

Are you still talking about that general's translated speech, or about Times article (the only one where I highlighted anything)?

Hobby said...

I thought you were talking about the Times piece that you quoted from - the main point of that sentence is clear and your highlighting of the minor mistake is nitpicking.

As for Vasit's piece - even though its an incoherent piece, I still think the message is clear (and scary)

siampolitics said...

Ah, Times online - it wasn't a typo, they really forgot Thaksin spent almost half a year in the country last year and is currently fleeing the court verdict, not the coup.

The scary part is that people at Times could be genuinely ignorant of this fact.

General said what was expected. After all he was the head of the palace security in 1973, according to BP.

Someone has to say these kind of things, just like someone has to rally against Cambodians and someone has to worship Samak - there are 65 million people in this country, there must be full political spectrum, and they all must be given a place to say what they want.

Hobby said...

"there are 65 million people in this country, there must be full political spectrum, and they all must be given a place to say what they want"

I agree.
(and so would Darunee, Giles, Jakrapob, Suwicha & Co)

Hopefully an energetic/prolific blogger like youself will start campaigning for their freedoms - I'm sure your efforts will be appreciated:)

siampolitics said...

Free speech and thought within bounds of law.

Darunee, and especially Giles, were not charged for expressing their views but for specific allegations. Giles was charged for stating that the King was complicit in the coup plans.

But you've heard this argument before, haven't you?